# Challenging Flock Cameras At City Hall
# Tymanthefirst — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86iR6KzqsGU

So today I'm just going to be reviewing
uh what was said at the city council
meeting. There was a lot that was said
and some good, some bad, but I'm just
going to go over it and give my thoughts
on a lot of it. Good afternoon. Um my
name is Timothy Pitman and on July 6th I
came here and presented some concerning
details about the flock safety cameras
that were recently installed. And in the
time since, public concern has grown
significantly. Uh, with change.org
support, we launched an online petition
that has already gathered over 400
signatures from citizens who share the
same concerns. Through further
investigation, I learned that Flock
manages its own hardware installations.
And right here in our community, a
resident's private um, a Flock camera is
pointed directly into a resident's
private yard. And I spoke with that
homeowner directly. He confirmed that
there was no notice given to him that
this camera was being installed right
near his house or that it was looking
into his yard. Um, and I asked him if he
felt his privacy was being violated. And
he said he did feel as if his privacy
was being violated.
Um, and ironically, while Flock places
cameras facing private homes that have
been trying to guard their own privacy,
when a reporter recently attempted to
interview the company at their listed
headquarters, they were informed Flock
had moved and could not disclose their
new address due to privacy concerns. It
is extremely hypocritical for a company
profiting off of public surveillance to
hide behind the very privacy rights that
our residents are being denied. And we
are not alone in recognizing these
dangers. The Los Angeles Police
Department recently decided not to renew
their contract with Flock over these
exact privacy and operational issues.
And if one of the largest law
enforcement agencies in the nation
recognizes that Flock is a liability,
then why are we ignoring the red flags
here?
And that's all I have.
When you say we are not alone, who is
we? Who me and every me?
I'm representing everyone that does not
want flock here and believes that it is
a privacy violation.
Well, we have done a lot of research.
Chief, [snorts] do you want to say
anything?
Okay. So, I'm going to stop right here
real quick. First of all, I don't know.
It just me personally, and again, this
is not like this is just how I felt like
I felt like his response going like, who
are you? Like, who are you repres? I
felt like that came off as really like,
you know, really passive aggressive. And
I and I don't know that could have just
been me, but like I felt like that could
have came off in a way nicer way. You
know, I like I'm going up there and
presenting genuine concerns and this is
my second time doing so. And I feel like
I'm being met with a lot of malice
instead of like genuine intent to try to
see where I'm coming from.
Well, we have done a lot of research.
Chief, [snorts] you want to say
anything? And we're well aware of the
restrictions and we're very comfortable
that we are not infringing on anybody's
privacy [snorts] uh in this is not the
only place these exist.
Okay. So I want to I want to address
that real quick. So he said that they
have done research on it and I believe I
believe that they have done research on
it to an extent and I'm going to I'm
going to touch back on that at the it's
at the end of it where
I cannot read their names but I believe
this councilman right here asked if any
of the cameras had like video and audio
capability and I feel like that is
something that you would find out as
you're doing the research, you know,
like that is a I felt like that was an
odd question to ask if they had done the
research on it. You know what I mean?
And we're we're well aware of the
restrictions and we're very comfortable
that we are not infringing on anybody's
privacy. Uh in
Okay, so he says we are well aware of
the restrictions. I'm I'm kind of
confused by I don't know what he means
by restrictions.
Maybe he means restrictions as in like
what the officers are able to do with
the cameras. I'm assuming because I
don't recall mentioning any
restrictions.
And he also says that we are not
infringing on anybody's privacy. And he
would be correct. Uh the city of Gulf
Shores is not infringing on privacy. It
is flock because flock are the ones that
you know where all this data is being
stored and everything. It's their
cameras, their hardware, all that. I
feel like him just saying, "Nuhuh. We're
not infringing on privacy." Whenever I
can go to this guy's house and see a
camera pointing directly into his yard.
Now, I could go take a caveman or not a
caveman. I could go take someone that's
been on a secluded island and bring them
to Gulf Shores and I could ask them,
hey, do you think that this all that
this seeing eye that is pointed directly
in the direction of this point person's
yard, do you think that this is a
violation of their privacy and that
person that has never seen any
technology in their life would go,
"Yeah."
So, I'm not a lawyer. I'll preface it
with that, but I'm going to talk about
the Fourth Amendment a little bit. I've
put together a few bullet points simply
for to address the flock cameras as as
they relate to here in Gulf Shores.
First of all,
so and this is another thing uh before
we get into his bullet points. I found
it kind of odd that these bullet points
were prepared beforehand, but they
weren't put on the agenda or anything.
This whole thing, the way that the
contract happened and how it was decided
that we were going to imple or that Gulf
Shores are going to implement it, the
whole thing is really weird to me
because I I know in a lot of your
cities, if you have flock, you're
probably paying for them with taxpayer
money. But in Gulf Shores, we're using
our asset forfeite fund. So, the way
that stuff is approved depending on if
it's taxpayer money and if it's asset
forfeite money is different. And I don't
know the exact way that it works in Gulf
Shores. That's something else I'm going
to have to look into more. But I do know
it it's it's like a different process.
And because it's not directly using the
citizens money that they kind of
circumvented that route of like asking
the citizens like, "Hey, is it okay if
we spend your money on this?" And which
I found is very weird. Like I feel like
this is something that the citizens
should have had a say on. And on that
note, like this was approved back in my
city in September and I know a lot of
this new a lot of this information is
now coming out in this year. So a lot of
this information wasn't available to be
presented then. And a lot of stuff like
new flock products like Flock Nova and
the the Ravens, I don't know if they
existed um back then or if they were as
mainstream as they are now. So there's
just a lot more stuff that needs that
couldn't have been brought to the table
back then. Also, I couldn't have done
this back or potentially, but I was, you
know, I was in high school still. So, I
was focusing on school instead of doing
this.
We have flock cameras here for one
reason and one reason only, and that's
public safety. These things have proven
time and time again to be deterrence to
crime.
This is this is their stance. Their
stance is that it is on public that it
is for public safety and the main thing
is like yeah okay you can say it's for
safety but like is that up the cost of
like surveilling everyone 24/7 and
adding them to a database
crime and alo also increase the
solvability of crime in in all virtually
every city they have with regard to LA
let's be honest that's about data
sharing with ICE right
okay now I'm smarter than this so I knew
knew that. But this was this was a trick
question that he was asking me because
spoiler alert, Alabama's a red state and
California is a blue state. So, of
course, they didn't really like that
they were sharing their things with ICE.
I'm pretty sure Baldwin County has an
agreement to like share the flock data
with uh ICE. And personally, like I'm
just going to say I I don't think
sharing it with the sharing this with
the feds is a good like or it's
literally the government seeing
everything you do. Hey, let's install
these cameras in our city and give the
federal government access to look at
these cameras. Uh, okay. Sounds kind of
weird to me and definitely not just uh
government surveillance on everyone. But
yeah, he he was trying to trick me here
because if I were to just say yes to
this, then it would have thrown out the
whole thing about the whole LA thing
because they know they know that's a
good point that the third largest nation
is not deciding not to renew their
contract over these concerns. They know
that is a very very valid point and they
don't want to directly address that. So
they're just going to go well
isn't that one of the elements. Okay.
Yes sir. Just one of them
but that's one of
Yeah. So I just said well it's just one
of the many reasons but but again I've
been saying privacy privacy privacy.
So um that that's what I want to put out
some bullet points about facts. First of
all here in Gulf Shores we have had
cameras there are two types of cameras
with regard to flock. There are license
plate readers and PTZs. Those are pan
tilt zoom cameras. They're no different
than a camera that is down at the beach.
We have them near the schools to protect
the kids. We have them. We're monitor.
I'm going to keep pausing because
there's a lot of things I want to get
through and it was a lot of information.
So, whenever he says these are no
different from cameras at the beach, I
think he means like minus the AI is the
same thing. But yeah, you could make
that argument about every single camera
on Earth. Um, but no, there's a pretty
big difference between a Flock Condor
camera and a just a regular old security
camera. The difference is that the Flock
AI camera zooms in on your face and your
phone.
And like I don't want a random AI camera
zooming in on my face and phone and then
being able to be accessed by let's let's
just say the federal government in this
instance. Like that is weird. That is
weird
string here with cameras. We have them
in this room. Um the pan, tilt, zoom c,
all of the cameras are located in public
places. I'm getting off my bullet points
here because I wanted to address some of
the things that he said. Everyone is in
a public place. There are no mo a
majority of what we have here are what's
known as a license plate reader. A
license plate reader is the same thing
that records your vehicle and your
license plate when you go through a toll
zone. not the same thing. So, let me
just say I have not looked into a like
the nitty-gritty of a traditional
toll thing or toll bridge camera,
whatever. But the difference between the
toll bridge and the flock cameras is
that, you know, the toll bridge, they're
trying they're trying to make sure you
pay to like get over there. And if you
don't pay, then like, you know, then
they should be able to, you know, send
you a fine or something because you
didn't pay. Now, I could be wrong about
this, but I'm pretty sure that PBridge
cameras don't use AI and put every
single tiny nitty-gritty detail of your
car into a database that's accessible
for like 90 to 30 days and that the
federal government can access and that
the local uh police department can look
back at. Like, these are not the same
thing
through virtually any area. It takes a
picture of the car and a zoom in of the
license plate if you've had a toll
notice before. Also, one more thing
about the toll cameras. I'm pretty sure
they only look for your license plate.
They don't like again, they don't store
all these other extra details like
stickers, decals, dents, make, model,
year. It's like just the license plate
because that's all they need to send you
the ticket.
That's all we're getting from the LPRs
that are located throughout most of the
city. The the other places where we have
where where he's talking about that is a
license plate reader that is pointed
towards the road. There is no data being
gathered on that resident. So, in this
particular camera that he's talking
about, that's the one that I referenced
where it was facing at a homeowner's
house. This is another thing that I wish
I I could have asked them and I would
really like some elaboration on is was
the city involved in the placement of
these whatsoever because whenever I did
my research, I found that Flock handles
the installation and all that. So, the
city doesn't have to do anything and
it's marketed as like as a weight off
the city's back. You know, Flock's like,
"Hey, let us handle this. we got you.
We'll install these in these key
locations. But to me, you know, the
cameras are one thing and the
installation is another thing. And I've
also seen videos of of the same exact
instances happening in other places in
some where the cameras are installed in
places that they shouldn't be. For
example, I saw this one. It was
installed behind a guard rail and but
the camera was installed with concrete
at the base. So, if a car went through
the guard rail, they would hit the
camera and it would potentially kill
them because like the camera's in
concrete and all that, but if the camera
wasn't there, then the guardrail would
do its job and all that. So, it's just
there's a lot about the installation
that also needs to be said here. Also,
I'm pretty sure if I could see the feed
from that camera, you could blatantly
see that that person's yard is taken up
like 90%. I'm going to say probably at
least 50% of what you can see from that
camera is that person's yard. And that's
just being generous and giving the
person that installed it the benefit of
the doubt. It's probably more than that.
There's no data being gathered on the
inside of that resident's house.
Before we continue, I would just like to
say regarding the installation, I
haven't seen a lot of people talk about
this. Again, Flock manages their own
installation and they say that they put
these cameras in key locations. I don't
know how they determine what's a key
location. And from the sounds of it,
they don't communicate with the city on
the installation of these cameras. So, I
don't know how they find out where to
put them. I don't know if they just send
a guy to just go drive around for a day
and go, "Okay, here, here, here, here."
But it is very weird. And again,
specifically this camera. So, the road
that this camera's on is really weird.
So, like, let's just say I'm coming down
from a specific road. I turn left to go
down the road that has the camera in 100
ft. There's a stop sign and the speed
limit is also 25 miles per hour. So, I
don't really understand what the purpose
of that camera there. There's actually
two of them, but the but the other
cameras facing the forest, they can't
see into anybody's home. There's none
on. So, like for example, whenever I
said that I take a left to turn onto
this road with the cameras, the road
that I'm on to take that left, that is
way busier than this road. There's like
a hundred like there's probably like a
thousand cars that go down that road
every single day or probably more than a
thousand. And it just makes no sense.
It's like if anything that road would be
a key location, not this tiny strip of
road where you can see into this
person's front yard. Like it just makes
no sense.
It is simply a camera located in a
public place. So since we're talking
about I'm talking about public places
for a minute, let's talk about that. The
fourth amendment. You hear a lot of
that person's house is not a public
place. things where people say this is a
violation of the Fourth Amendment. The
Fourth Amendment, and again, this where
I say I'm not a lawyer, but I've been in
law enforcement for 38 years. The Fourth
Amendment covers unlawful search and
seizure.
There there are multiple exceptions to
the Fourth A provisions in the Fourth
Amendment. One is plain view. Every one
of these cameras is located in plain
view. where every one of these cameras
is located. There could be a police
officer sitting there writing down every
license plate that goes by, which is no
different than what the camera does. It
is just doing it more efficiently and
more effectively to in the protection of
public safety. Uh
it is actually very different because
that police officer that police
officer's brain is not linked to like a
100 thousand others police officers
brain and can um telepathically
communicate with that other police
officer and go where was this car? Where
was this car? Where where have they
been? Where are they going to go? That
is very different. Um I see I see where
he's coming from but fundamentally two
very different things.
The pan tilt zooms are what we have on
the beach. We've had these on the beach
for 10 years. Those are the cameras that
are there. We have
No, they're not the same thing.
At the dog park. We have them at the
school. Since we put the PTZ up outside
the dog park, we haven't had one
abandoned pet abandoned in the dog park,
which you all know the people have come
in here on a regular basis complaining
about the the way we we are handling the
dogs. We have not had one dog abandoned
in that ball in that dog park. That's
the effectiveness of these flock cameras
working.
Okay. So, let me just say these cameras
are not proven to deter crime. Let me
just say that there are some cities that
have had flock or can or currently have
flock and they have reported that and
some of those cities have reported that
their crime rate has actually gone up.
And flock themselves, of course, they
market that it gets rid of crime. You
know, it's supposed to deter it. But the
camera itself does not prevent crime. A
lot of people still don't know about
Flock. So,
they might just see that camera and go,
"That's just a regular old security
camera." But no, I do not think that the
that these cameras alone are like the
sole cause for crime to not be committed
or dogs to not be abandoned at the dog
park in this example. But the cameras
are not physically doing anything. They
are not stopping anyone from abandoning
their dog there. Now, with regard to the
data, there's a lot of lot of noise out
there about data. This data meets the
standards of the FBI's National Center,
National Crime Information Center. Let
me fact check that. So, this right here,
I know it's the AI overview thing. Just
bear with me here. So, right here, Fox
data hosted on Amazon Web Services
GovCloud is encrypted using AES 256. We
know from Ben Jordan's video that that
is not the case because it was streaming
like unencrypted feeds. So this is just
not true.
It is it is strictly adhered to. It is
strictly protected and there are
provisions in the law that char that
that provide for an officer or a public
official who uses these in an
unauthorized fashion to be prosecuted.
And I can guarantee you here in Gulf
Shores, if that happens, they will be
prosecuted. We are fully transparent
about this. Our policy is on the
website. It talks about the retention
period. It talks about how long we
retain it. And flock also mirrors
mirrors that. And it also is subject the
only way you can use access a flock
data. The cam the data from the camera
is for a specified law enforcement
purpose. So, an officer can't just go in
and check a plate. They have to go
through our our rigorous review in order
to show whether or not they have a
specified law enforcement purpose to
review that plate. And then we grant
that. And afterwards, we audit to make
sure that nobody is using it improperly.
This I'm actually very intrigued by. So,
in I believe this was also in one of Ben
Jordan's videos, it showed that, you
know, all the officer had to do to look
up a plate was just give a reason. And
also, police officers are abusing this
because they're just putting invest in
investigation.
Like, that's not a reason. You have to
be more like descript than that because
like you are going or you are accessing
a database that is literally like spying
on tons of tons of people. You can't do
that. So, I want to know what is so
different about Gulf Shores flock. I
want to know what makes it rigorous
compared to other police departments
that have flock. It better be a game of
like 21 questions or something because I
I'm not sure I believe that just based
on the evidence that Ben Jordan gave. I
just don't believe that. Or maybe that's
what he means by rigorous is it ask the
officer that like what they're accessing
it for and all that. And of course, they
know has the login with their account so
that they can potentially trace back who
made the search. But I want to know
what's so different. What makes it so
rigorous? And also he says if someone
abuses it, we will prosecute them. What
is preventing an officer from abusing
it? Is it this? So is it this mystery
rigorous lookup? There's there's a ton
of questions here that I would love
answers to because I'm very very
intrigued. So, uh, with that being said,
um,
the, you know, as they're they're
they're here. They're for a specified
law enforcement reason, and we believe
they're of value and should remain
unless the Supreme Court says otherwise.
Thank you.
Yes, sir.
There's your answer.
If you've made it this far in the video,
you know, you can already tell that
there's a lot of holes in what was said
in these bullet points. I'm not making
this video out of malice. I'm making
this to bring awareness and to hopefully
get these things removed and because I
believe that this that this response was
not satisfactory. Like for example, the
LA point I made that was a very very
good point and that was just brushed off
with do you mean ice? Um a little bit I
had some questions if that's okay. Um,
so first regarding the similarities to
the red light cameras, as far as I know,
the red light cameras that you mentioned
before that have existed for like a dec
like decades. Um, don't they only track
the license plates that actually run the
red lights whereas Flock, they enter
like for example like my car just going
down the road even though I'm not doing
anything wrong.
Sir, with all due respect, we have no
red light cameras here in Gulf Shores.
Yes, sir. But I'm just talking about in
general because you compared them to or
the the toll cameras. My my bad.
So what what is
um Don't the toll cameras only send you
a ticket or like for log your license
plate if you are um like for example you
don't pay the toll whereas Flock it'll
log your vehicle and your license plate
no matter what.
Yes. Every car that goes by is logged on
Flock.
Yes sir. And with the toll cameras, it
only logs the cars that don't pay the
toll or is it
I believe every car is logged, but it it
logs whether you have a um a responder
in it that allows you to pay, but every
every vehicle is photographed as it goes
through a
I'm going to have to look into this
more. I just I wanted to get a bigger
understanding of that because I don't
really understand toll cameras, but I do
know that fundamentally a flot camera
and a toll camera are not the same
thing. I was just trying to get a little
bit more elaboration out of that. And
the thing with the toll cameras, it
probably depends on who makes them.
We don't have them here, so they it
doesn't apply.
Yes, sir.
They are not cameras. They are not
writing tickets. They are uh they are
simply logging that. Now, just to give
you some numbers, we we now we had a
public safety meeting a couple weeks ago
and and uh we we did a just an update of
where we were in Gulf Shores at that
time on July.
Now, this is very interesting.
We had logged 38 million license plate
reads in Gulf Shores. Those are
individual cars [clears throat] that
drove by a flock camera. Of that, we
have queried right at a thousand and a
lot of those are multiple
reads on a specific incident. If
somebody shop, for example, uh we had a
stolen car come into town and we it
started pinging on every camera as we
went in. We had a it turned into as
officers rolled in where that vehicle
was located, it turned into a pursuit.
And in the interest of public safety,
rather than pursue a car and risk
somebody, an innocent third party being
hurt or injured, we pulled off the
pursuit. And that flock that car
continued to hit flock cameras
throughout the city until it pulled into
Walmart, at which time we moved in
[clears throat] on him. The person ran
out of the vehicle, fled into the woods.
He was later apprehended and there was
evidence of other crimes in that car.
That was a stolen car that came into
Gulf Shores. That is a typical example
of what we are using these cameras for.
Again, I don't think they're using the
cameras maliciously. All it could take
is one person to mess that up. I'm going
to go back real quick just so that we
can rehear this again cuz whenever I
heard this, I was like, what?
We had logged 38 million license plate
reads in Gulf Shores. Those are
individual cars that [clears throat]
drove by a flock camera. of that we have
queried right at a thousand.
Okay, so right here this is like the
meat and potatoes. 38 million is a lot.
That is a lot a lot a lot a lot of
people in one area and he says that they
were able to query a thousand people.
That's just looking them up in the
system. And this is not accounting for
the hallucination on Flock's part.
Decisions to actually pursue people that
were here um arrest or anything like
that. It's just a thousand people that
they were like, "Hey, we're going to
look up." Which is still crazy. It's
just that they could just all these
people can come in here and without
their consent, they're just put into
this database. So my thing is, is the
privacy of 37,999,000
people? Is their privacy worth less than
catching these? Let's just say a
thousand. Let's just say all 1,000 of
them were committing a crime. Let's just
be generous here. Is is the privacy of
those 37,999,000
people is that worth less than catching
these people by other means? And I
understand that it is used to help catch
people, but maybe instead of flock,
maybe we get red light cameras. Multiple
reads on a specific incident. If
somebody shop, for example, uh we had a
stolen car come into town and we it
started pinging on every camera as we
went in. We had a it turned into as
officers rolled in where that vehicle
was located, it turned into a pursuit.
And in the interest of public safety,
rather than pursue a car and risk
somebody, an innocent third party being
hurt or injured, we pulled off the
pursuit. And that flock that car
continued to hit flock cameras
throughout the city until it pulled into
Walmart, at which time we
[clears throat] moved in on him. The
person ran out of the vehicle, fled into
the woods. He was later apprehended and
there was evidence of other crimes in
that car. That was a stolen car that
came into Gulf Shores. That is a typical
example of what we are using these
cameras for. Okay? And again, you could
do this without logging 38 million
people. If we just got rid of the flot
cameras and instead got red light
cameras and these other security
measures that weren't so invasive, then
then I would be on board with that. But
this is not the way to do it.
Sacrificing privacy without looking at
Flock as a company and all the stuff
that they've done. Doing all this at the
cost of security and private or at the
cost of privacy is not it. That exact
instance that he named could have been
solved with another officer phoning in,
hey, there's a stolen vehicle heading
your way. um played as this and then
installing red light cameras and then
some and then like they could still
build that building but then just for
the red light cameras, you know, and
then they're just watching out for that
vehicle. That is way less invasive and
yeah, it does it takes a lot more work
and I think a lot of police departments
really like flock because it does a lot
of work for them. And also another thing
I've noticed at least here in Gulf
Shores, I never never see a police
officer like on the side of the road
anymore watching for people. Ever since
these cameras got installed, like the
police officers are never out on the
road anymore watching people. So I want
to know what exactly they're doing with
all this time. Are they just are they
all just watching these cameras?
Nothing more.
Yes, sir. Thank you,
Chief. you made a very lengthy
presentation before the council voted to
approve the purchase of these cameras.
And that was exactly one of the great
benefits for public safety that I saw
that there's a database of of license
plates tied to crimes that when they
come in our area, your your department
knows it. Those cameras know that
they're here. And you know this
a really big issue I have is just police
departments in general. I don't know why
they think they need to have more faith
in themselves. They think that they're
so incompetent and just incapable of
solving these crimes without these
cameras.
Transient uh
uh push that we get in this small town.
I mean, we're we can be an easy prey uh
for those kind of folks that want to do
wrong because there's just so much
traffic and transit traffic and it's
hard to keep up. I saw that as one of
the great benefits. I had been asked a
couple of times about your license plate
reader cameras.
I would not say that Gulf Shores is an
easy target. From the um numbers I read
from 2025 last year regarding the police
department's arrest and everything, they
were very efficient. So, no, I would not
say that Gulf Shores is an easy target.
Do they have any video or audio function
to them?
No, sir. They're strictly they take a
photo of the car and a license plate.
the LPRs. That's what
the LPRs. That's what Yeah, that's what
I'm asking.
Yes, sir.
Okay. Thank you.
[clears throat]
And
I think we have concluded that the
public safety issues given the safety of
these cameras far outweigh any concerns.
I'm going to go back real quick.
I think we have concluded that the
public safety issues given the safety of
these cameras far outweigh any concerns.
So yeah, we have concluded that the
public safety issues outweigh any
concerns which is at least I believe to
be a crazy statement because I have
given them an email with like categories
of different reasons and this is just
the tip of the iceberg of some of the
stuff. You know, I can't go in there and
talk for an hour and so I'm only able to
present a little bit of information at a
time and they're claiming that they've
done research and all this. But me, a
19-year-old, I can go on the internet
and find all this information, all this
like terrible information about what
these cameras can do, what people have
done with them, what the com what Flock
themselves have done as a company. And
me personally, if I was a mayor or a
city council member, I would say, "Hey,
wait, maybe we shouldn't do this, you
know, cuz there's a lot of concerning
stuff about these." Or at the very least
would have let the citizens vote on it.
Like this is ridiculous,
sir. And um I'm sorry, but regarding the
the last question you had um I'm as of
recently, Flock is or Flock did recently
announce an update where these LPRs can
become cameras.
It's an optional upgrade, of course. So
currently, unless the police department
chooses to activate it, but they do
technically have the functionality to
turn into cameras,
but we're not using them in that.
Not at this point. And and unless I see
a reason to go to something like that,
I'd be for you asking the same thing
just like I was when we got the initial
grant.
I just don't believe that research was
done or Okay, let me pause. I could see
how, you know, they could have done
their research back then and how they
would have like, you know, really liked
it, but that's because all this stuff
wasn't discovered yet. I think it needs
to be it needs to be revisited. They
need to look at the emails that people
have sent
the initial installation. But like I
said, we've had these cameras here for
10 years. [clears throat] They've been a
benefit since since day one, and you
know, I fully support him as long as the
person that you trust to protect this
city. You know, if if we had 18,000
people and we're in the middle of
nowhere, maybe we wouldn't have the need
for them. It depends on your crime rate.
We we suffer. We suffer. We benefit from
a very significantly low crime rate. And
this allows us to be more efficient the
way we deliver our public service to the
citizens.
Again, already significantly low crime
rate. Why? Chief, Mike,
you mentioned the data storage and I
know it's on the website. Could you
mention what it is? So, in case we don't
have
So, every every plate is logged for a
period of 90 days. If if we don't So, 90
days is a while. I believe I've seen
most places stored for 30 days. So, this
is triple that amount of time, which
means that a greater footprint of in of
each individual person is made. query a
plate. If a plate comes through, it's
there for 90 days. If we query it, and I
guess the best way to phrase this is
flag it for an investigative purpose, it
would be able to remain for up to five
years. And or five years, it would be
dumped through the system. It's kind of
like your your home video camera.
Hold on. So, I'm also going to rewind
just to like understand some things a
little bit more. like your your home
video camera, you know, they have like a
30-day window and and that's the same as
this. Once we hit 90 days, if we don't
query a plate, they get dumped out on
the back end at 90 days. If we don't
have a law enforcement purpose within 90
days, it's gone. We we know to get on it
right away. Everybody in the police
department is will is trained or will be
trained if they haven't been yet. And it
comes with a very stern warning for me
that do not abuse these. We know the
controversies that exist exist elsewhere
and there would nothing get rid of this
tool in our belt faster than for
somebody to misuse it.
Thank you, Chief.
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