The Flock Camera Problem is Bigger Than You Think

Alex, I already missed you, buddy. I know. We were down I was down there visiting you over the weekend having a great time. Uh so we to prepare for the tour and I noticed something while I was down there, Phil, and I couldn't shut up about it. All right. I could not shut up about it because at one point I was like, there's not that many around there. And then we realized I was leaning on one flock cameras cuz I was down there visiting you in the Atlanta metro area and uh apparently you told me and then producer Ben confirmed it and then I Googled it to double check it and then I scrolled to the second page of Google to find an article to confirm it cuz I don't trust the [ __ ] Gemini AI and it's true. Atlanta, Georgia is the second most surveiled city in the world because it's covered in flock cameras. And it was one of those things of once you mentioned it, I saw them everywhere. It's everywhere. That was crazy. Hey buddy, you know, when you go out into society, there's no expectation of privacy is the dumbest [ __ ] argument. this everything that has come out about flock cameras is very concerning uh at the very least and horrifying at the max. I as you were leaving I found a story about someone that got uh guns pulled on them because there was a misread of a plate. Uh then they were like it's a stolen car. No it's not. And so it's like okay there's another traumatizing situation. How many people are going to get shot uh because of this? And that obviously that's just one example of the big brother [ __ ] takeover that is being normalized. It's so weird. This is I I will say I think this flock cameras and data centers are a great reach around the aisle possibly like connect with a person that you've been disconnected from sort of situation. You don't agree? You're just No, no. I'm just I'm reach around the aisle is a crazy sentence. Reach across the aisle. Yes. Across the aisle. Sure. Reaching around the aisle though. Maybe the reason it hasn't worked is because we've been reaching across. Okay. So, we should reach around and and that way, you know what, the Republicans, the deeply closeted Republicans would agree on us because we would tell them the flock cameras are surveilling you as Palanteer is pulling your Grinder profile, linking it with your social security number, and then following you across state lines, buddy. Uh, some of those Republicans though, they wouldn't have a problem because instantly uh crossing state lines for that isn't an issue for them because the president will just pardon them. But I mean, I've even heard things of flock cameras being used to track women leaving Texas uh to get an abortion and they were trying to charge a woman because her partner ratted on her uh because of the Texas abortion bounty laws that I think people forget that are still out there and are still on the books and others. Flock cameras have been a growing concern. And I I I wanted to talk about them a little bit here because there really isn't that the weird thing with them is there isn't one central thing that has brought them forward, right? There isn't a there isn't like a a big event uh that has been like, "Oh, this thing proves that." But I think there's a few flash points that have happened over this last year. And a big one was the Super Bowl. Do you remember the Super Bowl this year? You and I were talking about the the ring commercial. Yes, the ring commercial. Actually, here's what's funny about that Super Bowl. We were talking about it uh when I was down at your house and uh we neither of us could remember who won it. Like we forgot actually who was in the Super Bowl because it was that forgettable of a Super Bowl kind of. But it was the Seahawks by the way. Congratulations Seattle. We'll be seeing you in about a week. I think there's only like 10 tickets left. Crashing on tour.com. Great way to prep for uh the crashing tour.com by going we don't even remember your stupid football team. Alex, I am Listen, you want to come talk to me about how how great the Seattle Seahawks are? Go Wetbirds. I will tell you in your person about how much I love them if you buy a ticket at crashingout.com. But Phil, um, that commercial, I think a lot of people already forgot about it. It was about there was a Ring camera commercial that was like, "Hey, you your dog is missing. Don't worry. Ring is partnering with Flock and we're gonna figure out where your dog is and you can go into this app and then boom. And then suddenly people are like, "Wait, what do you mean? My camera that I thought I had access to is now connected to an AI panopticon every always watching network that I'm paying for." Because here's the thing. I have I have a Ring Cam. And one of the things I don't think a lot of people who don't have them realize is to get access to your own footage to store your own footage on Ring. You have to pay for that. You have to pay for access to your own footage. But as we've seen with like the Savannah Guthrie and other things like they're like, "Oh no, if you don't pay, we don't save it." Is that true? That's kind of where we're kind of sticking here. And there was a lot of backlash on that ad and then Ring pulled back and then there was other things. And Ring is owned by Amazon. So all of this talks underneath AWS, Amazon Web Services and there's more and this was the beginning this plus the the the growing fears around data centers have been the beginning of more people looking and going like what is the end goal here? What is this for? It's just the ultimate uh swap of uh privacy for safety. We were having a conversation about this, but I think it's like this the re I think the only reason we might have more movement against these cameras compared to other places where people talk a big game around privacy but actually do not care that much. Like you look online, everyone talks a big game about privacy online. 85% of people do not actually care if it makes because it makes their life convenient whether it be targeted advertising uh uh other sort of recommendation systems. Uh but then there there's an increasing number of people that go, "Oh, I don't like how I'm the product. I don't like how there are all these different services that know everything about me." And so you see the rise of I think great services like Proton Mail. I think you see the rise of VPNs, especially amid government crackdowns on what you can even [ __ ] access. Uh, so I think I think the the real world of like someone just peering at you, knowing you, uh, the the the possibility, whether it be now or in the future, that they're going to be able to essentially build these profiles and know everything about you. That is I think that's going to be a road too far for a lot of people. And I think it's why you're seeing some localities successfully pushing back against Flock. But also a big thing is that it's not just Flock. they are the one they are the biggest they're they have the name recognition but there's a lot of people I I saw what was it um people were recommending services like what about Axon and people were like that's same issues what are you talking about um so I think I don't know this is this is one of those those key fights and there hasn't been a clean landing spot left versus right I'd say so far but I don't know do you do you find that uh I I think I'm it's iffy for me because I feel like flock is well number one you're completely correct flock is is the xerox of this. It's becoming the brand name of the issue. There are competitors. Yeah. No, exactly. Advil or Tylenol versus acetaminophen, right? There are other things around here. Flock is the number one and it's the one that people recognize. There's another competitor called Leonardo um and and others. And there's there's there's things that happen and then on top of that, there's a lot of misinformation and disinformation too about what the capabilities of each of these are. um inside of Flock itself, they then have different tiers of what different cameras can operate and others. For me, I worry that this is going to end up very much like the Epstein issue or the no new wars issue, right? A thing we seemingly agree on or even Maha, right? A thing we seemingly agree on, factory farming is bad. Uh maybe we shouldn't have as many chemicals in our food. That turns into uh you should actually be rubbing a crystal on yourself. You're like, what the [ __ ] are you talking about? Wait, hold on. And but the same thing with Epstein. We need we need a prosecution about Epstein stuff no matter where it leads. And then the right goes ah it led to a place I don't like anymore so we're instead gonna talk about trans basketball. Like there's areas in here, right? The idea like there's certain things around this of like what is this? And we're seeing this I'm seeing a lot of mostly right-wing influencers. I'm saying mostly because I haven't seen left-wing influencers or even liberal or centrist influencers that are pointing this way. It doesn't mean they're not out there or it doesn't mean that the check hasn't hit yet because we've seen this again with predictive markets. I've seen this around content creators and influencers around um specifically around predictive markets and crypto and others. If the check is big enough, you'll see people move on it a little bit. I've seen specific um content creators on the right begin to come out and go, "If you're not doing anything wrong, what are you worried about?" People need to understand this. Our laws are so big and complicated and also open for interpretation that you don't you might not know you're doing something wrong, right? And because of that, they can build a profile on something that wasn't maybe necessarily wrong or uh or or illegal, but maybe has the implication of because the other thing we're not talking about here is like how this can be used as a blackmail network because you can be tracked. Now, before if I wanted to follow somebody, I had to get into a [ __ ] car and follow them. I had to take bathroom breaks. I had to get coffee. How many of the times did y'all How many times when you were watching a movie, one of them propaganda movies from like the or TV shows from the '9s, they got to do a steak out and one of them is the the grizzled old vet who's been doing steakouts, who's like, you know, manage your water intake. I make sure you have enough energy bars type of stuff. And the other guy's like, I'm going to drink a monster. And he keeps getting up having to pee. And it's a whole thing. And it's a plot line that doesn't exist when AI is scraping 120,000 cameras because AI doesn't pee. It does need the water, but it doesn't pee. Okay. And this is kind of the area where we're stuck in is is it's it's that it's um John Henry versus the steel the steel driving man. The idea of moving from the handcrafted or it has to be a person has human capabilities and human faults to moving into a world of this is now going to be automated and robotized and data scraped and massnetted into mass surveillance. The other part of it though, it's inside of that we are now seeing and we keep hearing these stories over and over again of police officers and you know uh chief of polices and captains who have access to flock using it to stalk people in their lives because they have this easy access tool. Well, let me go see is she cheating on me and they go start clicking around and following their ex around or trying to find other things because the system makes it very very easy and it's very very tempting. So we end up in a system where we are we are handing an incredible power to police that we cannot trust. And now the debate is we're we clearly after the last six years we're not going to reform the police, right? So should we give them godlike powers? Maybe not. And this is kind of I think where the sticking point is and we don't want to actually acknowledge that. Does that make sense? It does. I mean I think the argument uh is should always be there for pretty much anything of well what if this tool falls into the wrong hands. Uh you can think of it in the sense of like hackers obviously especially as we're seeing that pretty much everything is vulnerable if you have the right hacker or even apparently autonomous agent that will figure out a way to to get through things. Uh whether it be governments uh how they want to utilize uh these systems uh to your point certain police officers. But one of the things that I found when I was looking in uh looking into this was like it was there was an article that on futurism that looked at like okay so in a place like Atlanta where you add these does this make it so that you're solving more crimes does it make it like are you actually keeping people safer and one of the things they found is even though they were adding more and more flock cam came cameras uh they used homicide as an example the clearance rate dropped from 53.4% 4% in 2021 to 48% in 2025 even as flock cameras were introduced. Uh the uh clearance rate real fast. What what's clearance rate mean? Right. Actually like solving a crime. Okay. Right. So so they're solving less crimes with them is what you're saying. Yeah. Somehow uh rape it said rape remained flat overall at 37.7%. It even dipped to 21.2% at one point. uh even voter vehicle theft, which it would be that seems like the craziest that's the craziest thing because it seems like that is that is the initial selling point for a lot of this outside of uh you know private business owners going like hey it's necessary to keep my private establishment uh safe. So I think once again like we're going to have numbers from all over the country and that's that's going to be interesting to see. But in general all I've seen are red flags after red flags. because you have a CEO that that has said people that stand against him uh he's likened to terrorists. Yes, he's apologized to it, but he in my opinion that sort of statement and that sort of apology is uhoh, I scared some people, right? Uh oh, I want to keep I want my contracts to keep going. This is just like the Kevin Oly claiming that the people that were against his Utah data center are all Chinese spies when they actually live. No, I just want to go back to that because I mean this this is one of these things where we've seen this repeatedly now with these CEOs get the lightest push back. The lightest push back because in general with flock what we're seeing a lot of is people becoming aware that these systems were approved in their communities without their knowledge. Um especially if they're tied to their state and local government. But in many cases with Flock I mean I was um our producer pointed me to Dlock which is a open- source mapping system where people this is not pulling from Flock itself. This is people going around actually being like, "There's a flock camera here." Do you know what happens if you go to Dlock, folks? You're going to discover that there's about four to six cameras, flock cameras, in every Home Depot and Lowe's parking lot. That's just they're and they're aimed all over that parking lot because again, there's questions of whether or not they're tied into ICE. Are they using this to track people who they believe are undocumented? There's areas inside the AI people think, "Oh, I I'll get a license plate cover." folks, they know they can track the make, model of your car. They can track whether or not your car has dents and scratches on it, a specific bumper sticker that you have on there and others. So, unless you know that there's six other cars exactly like yours that have a dent in the in the back left of the bumper in the same exact spot, it might be pulling in that sort of way because the AI knows to look for those things. Mhm. They've had they've had issues of the the again the same way when people go in that the way they do searches now versus in the past when you would go to Google or Yahoo and you had to type in precisely what you want to do. Instead, it's more of an Ash Jeeves looking for a car that has a scratch on the driver's side door. Uh is it's black with 30% tinted windows. Uh going westbound uh down this road, we think. Yeah. Boom. Here's all of them. Redhead in a X-Men shirt and guy in the coolest shirt that's ever existed. Uh The microphone covered the white Waffle House. Uh, number one, and for the audio listeners out there, I did what I did go I was with Phil in Atlanta as he bought that Waffle House shirt and he was he I want you to know he turned down the place we went was full of Waffle House shirts. They were like doing a Waffle House collab and he was like, "No, just this one." I I feel like this is this is my third one. After that, it's a bit it's a bit much. Two things I got to say. One, uh, I want to go back to the the motor vehicle theft. Uh I misread uh actually clearance rates jumped.3%. So that is probably a good enough reason for you to give up all your uh privacy. Oh, okay. That's fine. And two, when you mentioned what when you mentioned uh Mr. Wonderful. Kevin Olirri. Uh I was thinking why do so many of these companies the the people that become the face of them are literally the worst possible people that like Kevin Olirri becoming the face of data centers. Sam Alman uh becoming part of the the face of AI when every other thing that comes out of his face is like the weirdest [ __ ] or like the most concerning [ __ ] about how it seems like it's going to destroy everything. And we're not even going to touch the sister stuff. Go ahead. Oh, I don't We're not touching the sister stuff. Oh, god. Sam. Oh, go ahead. Wait. I think Okay. Wait. That's it. We'll leave it there. We'll leave it there. Legally, we're safe. Go ahead. No, but that's that's it. It's just the the the people that shouldn't be talking about this to to to normalize things for the normies are out there. No, they're they're they're idiots. And the because the thing is is at this point part of this Hey, don't you want don't you want this pod to get bought up like TBPN? What are you doing? What are you doing? Well, it's never going to happen, Phil. Phil, it's never going to happen. I put out my number out there. I've told the world I've told every evil billionaire on Earth. Give me $12.5 million and I go away and I shut up because I'll just invest it probably in private prisons or something. I don't [ __ ] know. It seems like the that just seems like how people make uh you know an insane amount of money these days is just go find the most evil thing you can find. dump a [ __ ] ton of money in it and then you could be Mark Andre because this is actually one of the things for me that popped flock besides going and seeing them in person was last I think it was last week the free press Barry Weiss who now runs uh CBS the free press did like a piece about flock cameras and in that it like even opens with like if you haven't done anything wrong you have nothing to worry about. Well, here's the thing. People are like, "This is a really bizarre thing to be claiming that you're kind of more libertarian or you're conservative or you believe in small government, but you're pushing this mass surveillance big brotheresque flock camera system." Right. Right. Yeah. And so while that's happening, everybody started looking at and they go, "Well, who's who also invests in the free press? Who invests in flock cameras?" Andre Horowitz, who was owned by Mark Andre, like the weird guy with the pointy bald head. The one who looks like an egg who said that he has no introspection. The one who has gone completely MAGA and is like a complete lunatic. This guy, this guy has gone insane. And also we're in a world now where since everything is slowly being bought up by private equity and everything has outsized control of now even we can't even trust the press to be as open or to look into these things because the investor in flock is also the investor in the free press which is the weird Orwellian name for your state sanctioned media company that is also invested in by the guy who owns Tik Tok right Larry Ellison who also said that it would be great if we lived in a world Everyone is under mass surveillance. It'll be perfect and and peaceful. But again, who watches the watchmen is the famous saying, right? Like, who is actually going to be the one manning these cameras? Who is going to have access to these cameras? Who's going to have freedom of information requests of these cameras? They're privatelyowned cameras that are being accessed by the government, which is the workaround in some of these privacy areas. On top of that, the other thing that's driving me crazy, and and it's just and I know we're going to go to a break here in a second, so I just need to say this. They're called flock cameras. A group of sheep as a flock. They're they're flock cameras. They're treating the people like sheep while telling us to not be woke. So, Phil, I have to say it. We've gone full circle in over 20 years. Wake up, sheeple. The first step is admitting you have a problem. And I had a problem for a very, very long time. That problem was needing to make routine doctor's appointments, but putting them off way longer than I should have. And the thing is is the procrastination wasn't due to the appointment. It wasn't that I didn't want to go see the doctor. It wasn't that I was afraid of what the doctor would tell me. It's that I didn't want to make that phone call. 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I mean, it's just uh massive state sponsored surveillance with an extra step. Like that's it. Yeah. I mean, this is the thing with the flock cameras in general. I mean, the one thing I'm seeing a lot of, Phil, I don't know if you've seen these videos. Have you seen guys who've been explaining to people uh how to cut down a pole that may or may not be connected to something? Have you seen these? They're massively popular on something about uh damaging a flock camera or anyone damaging a flock camera. No, I didn't. Okay. Okay. No, exactly. And that's I had Your honor, I had stress induced temporary blindness, your honor. That's your honor. And I stopped pulling palunteer to find out exactly what I looked at, your honor. That's what this is. Um we're seeing this a lot. There's been do not commit crimes is the our line. Yeah, we But I didn't see no crimes, your honor. Yeah, we we we should say that immediately. Uh immediately. We do not advocate anyone. No, I can't. You had something in your eye. We do not advocate. Why did you You blurred that. Did the editor blur that? Can't believe it blurred my whole face. All right, it's fine. We don't advocate people doing crimes. Okay, I'm not doing it. All right. Um, so the the videos that I'm seeing a lot of though are people like cutting poles um and talking about and again they're using these language through I've seen that. That was that wasn't a how-to. But I've also seen there's been in some small towns and areas where they have been cut down like the the cops will show up and like six of them are cut down and um you know they people will be they'll ask the general public does anyone know? And then all of the comment sections kind of turn into almost a Robin Hood thing. Whoever it was, he was with me that night. These type of things are happening in there. But I just want to I want to point to this because I know that a lot of people think that this is this is great. It's also bringing awareness of what these things are. Sure. But you guys know the next step then will just be drones. Like it it there there'll be other areas of it. The next step will be Whimos. Whimos are rolling surveillance vehicles. The next step will be every Tesla in Cybertruck is covered in [ __ ] cameras. Like there are going to be other areas of this. And so the people who think just taking out the pole, that is not taking out the actual foundation. And so what I just want to say what we truly need in this country is we need an overhaul of privacy, data privacy in particular, and having rules, regulations, and laws around that. And hopefully someday I can't even finish that [ __ ] sentence. I just that's that would be the actual answer. Come on, guys. You thought I was gonna give you hope? YOU THOUGHT I WAS gonna give you hope? NO. WHAT AM I? ZORON mom Donnie. That guy gives you hope because we're sitting here talking about government watching people, Phil. And Zolon is actually watching people through the internet and fixing things and it's driving me insane. Have you seen this stuff? Yeah. I like the uh the guy is seeing a pothole in the morning and then by afternoon he's like, "Oh, okay. I'm done. Got it." Oh, we need your help. Look like game. Why is there a whole hole in the road, gang? Look what happened after I come back from work. What? Yeah, it's it's been crazy. There's been so many of these and then Zoron himself leaning into it. You know, I've talked to people with the pothole thing because as after Zoron uh got inaugurated as mayor, it was like in the weeks uh after weeks and months afterward, they kept posting these images of like 100,000 potholes filled and these I've talked to people inside of uh government and they're like, "Here's the one that's crazy. We haven't filled in more potholes than anyone else. like every this is like this is standard ple but we're telling people we're doing it in a way that is accessible to them and we're also create that and by we zoramani and his administration is doing this in a way that people then it it you know a win and a success begets wins and successes. He started on the right foot with this. So now that we're in this this area where that guy was walking by mom Donnie, look at this pothole. Mom Donnie and by that afternoon it being filled and that guy posting about it like that is that's starting to add into more. I've seen more and more of these where there was Did you see the guy who pointed and goes, "Mom, Donnie, this is a big issue. That's where my boyfriend's supposed to be. I'm supposed to have a man there." Zoron, I need you to fix this immediately. I'm in Brooklyn. This is Eastern Parkway. Something's missing. It's supposed to be a man. Specifically, my man. I am supposed to be on a date with my man at the Brooklyn Museum, but he does not exist. Zoron, what are you gonna do to fix this issue? And Manny took it, put it on his stories, and then went, "Here's areas where you can meet up with other people at different events for the summer all across New York. It's this. It's smart marketing. It's good in that ways. The the idea of people feeling like they can connect because I gotta tell you something, Phil. M I'm going to I'm actually going to share a picture with you real fast and we can we can put it up uh on the on the show as well so the people who are watching us on Spotify or on YouTube can see this as well. I want to just show you something Phil. I just texted you a picture. So go ahead and I want you to take a look at that. What the hell is this? What do you think you're looking at right now? Is that supposed to be a great What is that? That's a storm drain, Phil. Uhhuh. That's a storm drain that uh it's been broken about about a sixth of the storm drain has been broken and so it's tipped the storm drain cover is tipped into the hole itself. Um and there's a road cone that's kind of propping it up a little bit and the road cone has it's been there for so long the grass is growing out of the top of it. I'm saying this because that has been um in front of my house for three [ __ ] years, Phil. Three years. I like you know how that storm drain Hold ON. HOLD ON. YOU KNOW HOW THAT BROKE? a [ __ ] city garbage truck drove over it. I have spoken to my city council people. I've spoken to my [ __ ] in person, my city supervisor. We've filled out the forms. We've made the [ __ ] phone calls. I've gone to the meetings. I've met these people. I know them. I've talked to them. I've pointed at them. And you know what happened? Every single person said, "Oh, I moved I passed it along to the right department. I passed it along. I PASSED IT ALONG." NO, [ __ ] This is where we are. This is why what Zoron's doing is so incredible because he's bringing back something that we used to have in this country. The idea of the buck stopping somewhere. At some point, somebody in this [ __ ] company, in this government, in our country WILL SAY IT STOPS HERE. NO FURTHER TO QUOTE JOHN Luke Bard in First Contact. But it has to somebody has to take [ __ ] ownership of it. And so this is where we've ended up. And we've ended up this way in government, in our [ __ ] businesses, in every step of life. It's been everyone else saying it's someone else's [ __ ] problem over and over and over again. I was talking to my wife. I was like, "I can't believe it's been two years." She goes, "It's been three." Cuz we had to check. We went into her phone AND WENT BACK. THAT ROAD CONE, by the way, is was not put there by the city. That road cone was put THERE BY ME, PHIL. THAT'S A road cone that I found in the streets of Philadelphia years ago and brought inside to save a parking spot. Now, for three years, it's been propping up a [ __ ] storm drake. And this is what's driving people insane. They're watching the people of New York during their New York summer enjoy pointing at holes and their government actually responding to it and they're shocked by this. This is a novelty into our country. The idea that our government that we pay taxes to, that we are that we vote for, that we are supposed to listen to, that is supposed to be monitoring us with flock cameras and telling us when we do things wrong. The idea that us being like, hey, you know, that thing's broken there. And they go, "Oh, okay. I got it. Fix." That's crazy to us. That's getting 2.5 million likes on [ __ ] Tik Tok. It's getting shared everywhere. There's articles being WRITTEN ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT OF NEW York fixing the problems of the people of New York ON PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. THAT IS NOT NEWS. THAT IS IF THAT IS NEWS, YOU LIVE IN A BROKEN [ __ ] SOCIETY. WELL, ALEX, I think we do. I think I think we do. Uh, few things to add here. One, your cone reminds me of those things from Super Mario Sunshine. It's giving me those vibes. too. Uh I will say uh Mandani I think there are a lot of places that uh want you to come around if just for I want I want to rent a Mundan. I just want to rent him. I I just need him for 6 months. I just want him to come to my small Pennsylvania monthly. That's what we call. Yeah. Just just come on down. I want six months of Mundan in my I know some people are saying, "Well, you got to do it." I like, "Motherfucker, I Here's the thing. Years ago, I had a somebody I was talk talking about getting into politics and he looked me dead in the face. He said, "You can't pretend to care about a pothole." And I'm like, "You're right." He's like, "You're a big picture guy. When it comes to local politics, you have to absolutely care about those potholes. You're a guy that they that like you should rally around someone who's going to be in the job that one day they're going to have to be like distance themselves from you." Yes. No. John the Baptist. I'm will I'm willing to be a Baptist for, you know, John the Baptist for a candidate. Unfortunately, the last time I did that a while ago, he that candidate then had a stroke and his name is now John Federman. Uh man, hey, pour one out for the homie. What if I just poured my drink on my laptop? Well, one of the one of the things with Mannia though, I mean, when you're talking about like what people talking about like we're actually doing around like the same level. One, I don't know how accurate that is, but two, this is I think a part of like you always have to keep campaigning even after you get the job. uh because and this has been a really big shortcoming of a lot of politicians, but especially uh people on the left of just not being like and this is what we did, this is what we accomplished. This is what we're doing. Uh even when you pass something that is going to better things in 10 years, you never get to claim it. Uh and then some [ __ ] that probably voted against it 10 years from now is going to claim like, hey, look at what we did. like we saw a lot a lot of people uh celebrating infrastructure uh like uh benefits for their for their communities when they actively voted against it years prior, right? Uh and so I think uh you know it's just always communication. Look at Trump. He takes credit for stuff that's not even happening. Like it's like just do it with real [ __ ] He well because usually he's just waking up and saying yes cuz that's been one big issue Trump's been having is he's literally falling asleep in meetings and then we Yeah. No, it was great. I wasn't I wasn't in the falafel cart. Shut up. I was talking about this this morning. How How have we How have we become so numb? This [ __ ] just looks out and I was like, "Oh, is it is it a is it just like was he blinking? Was he just taking like a long blink and it's like, oh, that's a I thought I thought it was a forever blink. No, that's that's an elderly sleeping man. I know this because I listen, I've seen the same exact thing when Pup comes over and I got Paw Patrol running 90 minutes in and my 2 and 1/2year-old's running around the floor and I look over at him and he's [ __ ] like that. Like, that's fine. But guess what? My kid's grandpa is 25 years younger than the president of the United States. Okay, that's crazy. He's a quarter of a century younger than the president of the United States. And he has a day job. He has a he's a physically demanding day job. He's allowed to long blink on a Saturday. It's not. And by the way, we're talking about on the weekend after working a physically demanding job playing with a toddler. All Trump had to do was sit next to [ __ ] RFK as they yapped about vaccines the size of Dr. Peppers being shoved in babies, which isn't true, by the way. I had my kid get all of his [ __ ] vaccines. It wasn't that many. It's not crazy. These people are dumb. But real fast, back to this this thing. The reason why people are like, "What what can we do?" Right now, under our current government, under all the legal things that we have set up, what could we do to change it? We have to vote and make sure that we get a Democratic House who can then maybe impeach him to then send it to probably a Republican Senate. Like, there's certain steps on I'm saying like legally of like how would we change it to this? The media clearly doesn't give a [ __ ] because we're we've been we're we're almost six months into a war he said he was never gonna [ __ ] start. We're like two weeks away from oil reserves completely running out and everything going [ __ ] sideways. We have inflation out our [ __ ] ass. Jobs, all the good jobs have vanished and they're being replaced with just sponging old people like the president. But when Joe Biden was president, I had to hear about every different types of way he took a weird walk. Every time his dentures slipped, I had to hear about this [ __ ] over and over again. This dude's out here not even know where the [ __ ] he is half the time, [ __ ] himself during funerals. And then we all got to pretend it's [ __ ] normal. Now I got to look at my kid and be like, "Hey, it'll be fine. It's all going to clean up. Maybe they'll maybe they'll pull out Obama, too." Well, I think so. Yes. Yes. Vote for, you know, your House, but also like it does start at a a very local level. I mean, even obviously, you know, you one of the things you did when you were in Georgia is you helped uh rally some canvasers with us uh uh for for you know, a district house seat. Very important. But, you know, like city council while surrounded by flock cameras, by the way. Well, surrounded by flock cameras. Weirdly, there were a few things there were a few things where once that became a topic of conversation, people going, "Oh, there's literally two or three right around us right now." It was so weird. It was so weird. Oh, good. It's It's staring right at my children on this playground. Cool. Yeah, it was bizarre. But one of the things I I will say uh was interesting as far as people paying attention to politicians was uh I think you saw this the the the weird freakout around AOC, right? Still, right? Like it started when she shared a video where I guess she's freezing her eggs. Um, and um, I think you know she's talked about this to some degree even in the past of like the the prospect of it, but man, you had you had like I don't know what it is about these like masculinity laring [ __ ] like Matt Walsh just having way too many opinions about women doing [ __ ] with their own bodies to the point that even even a number of women on the right were like, "Yo, chill the [ __ ] out. He uh, I don't know, Matt Walsh. He's daily wise. We've tal Wait, weirdly. Okay, so weirdly, we talk about Matt Walsh, I think, more than most people because he's so goddamn annoying and I think he's targeted at our age group. I honestly believe this. I do because we've mentioned him, I think, on the last couple podcasts around trans issues. He's the guy with the beard. Throw up the picture of him pre-beard. Thank you. Gross. Go ahead. Matt Walsh, of course, had a weird thing to say about a woman in birth. He said she'll turn 37 in a couple of months. If she got pregnant now, it would technically be a geriatric pregnancy. Instead, she's freezing her eggs. This desire to start having children late in life is completely baffling to me. I'll have kids in their 20s by the time I turn 50. AOC apparently wants to have a toddler at that age. Totally backwards and ridiculous. Matt, it was a [ __ ] weekend. Why weren't you hanging out with your wife or your six [ __ ] kids? You weird weird loser. And like I need people to understand these like, yes, they rally uh a weird type of loser around them, but they're just so sad. They're so sad. There's nothing there. It's an empty sad shell of a person that thinks that they have some sort of thing because they're able to like rally this uh misogyny [ __ ] group alto together and they get to be the center of it. Here's what's crazy is like can I tell you what happened when I saw uh the AOC cuz she did a couple like she talked about it and then she also made a video and actually the video I think it was on her Instagram stories or one of those things. She goes, "I'm freezing my eggs." And then she did the the tummy the tummy shot. And she literally said, "Don't make it weird. You're going to make it weird." And then she did it. And then they did. Everyone made it [ __ ] weird. Everyone made it weird. Benny Johnson made the most odd the oddest [ __ ] AI thumbnail I've ever [ __ ] seen in my life. And then Yeah. And a few other people started like they all started coming up with all this crazy [ __ ] You know, you know what my reaction was when I saw that she was freezing her eggs? I went, "What do you mean there's a shot?" Cuz I didn't We didn't do egg freezing. I didn't know there was a shot. I actually learned something. She did what we kind of want people to do, especially when it comes to medicine. Show us how it works so then we can make a decision ourselves. As for the whole thing of, oh, she'll turn 37 in a couple months. Cool. I have my kid at 39. My wife and I were 39 when we had our son. Like here's the one thing, the difference angle on this is I tell people if they're thinking if they're they actually are thinking about having kids, I don't want to turn this completely into a daddy section, but if they are thinking about having kids, I I do recommend if you are in the right place financially and emotionally to probably pull the trigger a little sooner because as my kid's getting faster, I'm getting slower now because I'm a little older and I don't have the energy to both hit the gym and chase him into traffic. Like that's kind of those are small things. There's ways around that though. Uh, we got a fence for our our front porch. That was a thing. We were like, "Oh, when we're trying to lock the door, he takes off running towards the road. Put a fence up." OH, NOW HE'S HE'S ON THE GATE. HE'S LIKE, "AH, I WANT TO GET TO THE SCHOOL BUS. Trying to get to the mines, dude." Well, actually, what I have is again, we have again massive hole in my sidewalk directly in front of my house. But they also have been doing construction on some roads near me. So basically for the last year, every day an excavator, a steamroller, a bulldozer, and other amazingly yellow painted construction equipment drives past my probably right-leaning MAGA conservative son who's super into construction farm equipment and football at two. It could change. You never know. But these [ __ ] people got so weird about her and this decision. I saw so many things like talking about like her fiance and other decisions that were being made in their lives and all this stuff. I'm like, "No, [ __ ] off." Like honestly, [ __ ] off. Because if she was to be pregnant right now, you know what happened? They would tell her that she was being greedy for and that she should drop out because she's pregnant. If anything was to happen uh during that pregnancy, there's going to be a bunch of [ __ ] about it. Every single [ __ ] decision she makes is highly targeted by the especially on the right, especially by Fox News. They talk about her they talk about her actually more than Hassan, but not as much as the WNBA. I saw some stats about this because right now Fox News is the WNBA network. But on top of that, there's also these like weird things from like the far left that are still targeting her because they'll scream that she's a sheep dog that is trying to keep people from getting away from the Democratic party. And so there's just like [ __ ] and dumb stuff about all of this. If you have the ability to to freeze your eggs and that's a way you want to go down and you've spoken with your doctor about it, great. I'm happy for you. It's awesome. I did not know that it's like a month worth of shots to do specific things. I don't know. I don't know what I thought. I I thought maybe they just go into an office, they put their feet up in a stirrups, and a guy comes in with like a Luigi's Mansion vacuum. I don't I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I'm that it's these are things that I've learned because again, we don't teach women's health in this country to men. So, we are left with a lot of assumptions. I'll never forget like witnessing a C-section. I went, "Oh, I thought you just pulled the baby out." And then they pulled out her entire, you know, intestines and stomach and every put it on a table next to her, pulled a baby out and stuffed them back in and zipped it up. Like, that shit's crazy, you know? Like, these are the type of things. And so, again, this is I think it's good. One, I think it's good that we're having this conversation so more people can understand it because two, this also then breaks uh the alliance of women to a degree, women on the right with conservative men who do not understand things like egg freezing, IVF. They do not understand non-viable pregnancies, right, and other things that could happen around this because all they want to do is ban everything that doesn't fit into the Little House on the Prairie episode that they watched in 1972. Yeah, I think yeah, Matt Walsh's take here I think is important because there is a portion of the Republican party, there is a portion of the right that has this opinion hardcore, right? And I think it is important to look at it and highlight it especially because right you even have Trump I think and and the White House would be trying to distance themselves from this because they've tried to make him look more like a pro IVF president, right? more about like building families and even people like Matt Walsh their their normal thing is like we need to have more families and but once again it's like mask comes off here because it's like but uh in the way that I want it's not about you woman right that's like that's very much the the Matt Walsh thing and it goes into against once again like the the fake machismo thing if when you look at him that is a very thoughtout look to to just hide how little and insecure that man is that is a that Matt Walsh is a Redditor that got kicked out of a Spencer's gifts and then decided to go across to an LL Bean and put on a plaid shirt and then finally figured out how to dye a beard dark enough and then put on some thick enough glasses to make you wonder if he's going to uh go not shut the [ __ ] up about an IPA. Um, real real fast, the one thing I will say going back into what you were saying about the the more families and babies and all this stuff. Yeah, Matt believes he's I'm going to infer this. I don't know it directly, but a lot of them infer this. They believe that if we have families, especially big families, that will make us conservative. That's their view. If we have families, then we are going because again, or you will be so financially stuck that you will you won't be able to have the which is partially true. You won't have to be able to have the energy for activism, for uh for social stuff. No, but other things because you know right now I have a toddler. Like for me to go down I'm sorry. I met so many former Republicans this weekend. It seems like the fastest way to become a liberal is to be born into a Republican family. I baby I mean that is definitely that's definitely true. I mean most a lot of libs are are that way especially liberals. Um but and a lot of leftists as well a lot of leftists who I meet when I talk to them especially in accurately using it as a catch-all term for anyone. Well yeah which I know is not the case because I'm a little bit more Yeah. No, but that's the thing. I'm a little bit more politically online than you when it comes to this specific type of nuance. And this is the thing that drives me crazy is because I'll see somebody who will be like an online communist from London being like, I hate liberals and then a bunch of MAGA people retweeting it and then being like, no, I hate you more. And like they can't understand that in America liberal is a catch-all term for anybody that isn't MAGA. Uh from the right maybe for the normies. Yeah. I was like, yeah, I'm saying for the normies. I'm more normies. Yeah. Yeah. No, you are 100%. I I walked around your house. I was like very normal. Oh wow. Very normal. This You said that in a mean way. I did. I did. 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Oh, I don't want to talk about Asmin Gold, but I am I am prepared to talk about Asmin Gold. No, it's a scented candle. Oh, no. IT'S SOY SCENTED. OH, NO. PHILY, it's a soy candle. You soy boy. I'm being feminized by scent while Asmin Gold is being radicalized by the living mold from JK Rowling's castle. Oh god. I I with this guy specifically, it's one of those things where I'm like, am I getting sometimes I have to go and watch the the the longer content because I'm like, am I getting some like weird algo fed thing where I'm like, it's just this man being a weird crazy insane person. Um, like I I'll see I think one of the the clips I saw a while ago was I'm paraphrasing essentially like him kind of like loving and getting off on the idea of him being a funnel uh for for seem like young men to be to go like further down the the alt-right right-wing uh extreme right pipeline to like a Nick Fuentes type or something like that. But even like even that is kind of crazy to me because if you search for for Nick Fuentes, if you search for currently incarcerated Andrew Tate, you can find plenty of clips about like them talking about trying to better yourself or like talking about positive things. But every clip I've seen from Aspen is just like him hating. And this most recent clip, which it looks like is the reason he just got a two-week, you say ban, but it's a Twitch ban, so it's really just a suspension, a little vacation break, was him talking about gunning down and endorsing killing migrant children uh along with uh the other men and women. Always this this is emotional blackmail, right? Well, you can't shoot these people. They have kids with them. Well, then don't bring your kids. If you don't want to get shot, then don't bring your [ __ ] kids. It's really simple. You mean you'd shoot adults and deport the kids, right? Well, I'd shoot whoever. Yeah, I'd shoot whoever. I mean, if it's kids, women, uh, men, anybody, just shoot them. They're going to stop coming over because if you don't do that, they'll use children and women as shields to get themselves over. And then they'll put more women and children at risk because they know that they can use them as collateral so they can get more of themselves over. That's the way it works. That's the way an animal thinks. And these people are animals. It's just the way it is. They're savages. Absolute [ __ ] savages. Hamas tactics. Yeah. Terrorists. Of course you don't want to do that. Doesn't mean you want to do it, but you have to do what you need to do in order to enforce your borders, man. Like that's the way it is. People are too emotional to see that. Yeah. I mean, like again, like it it's you don't you you you can't make decisions that way. And I understand the way that I talk about this might be a little bit extreme. It might be a little bit um you know, unemotional. I wish we had more people like me. I do. I wish we had more because we got too many [ __ ] that are too worried about the optics of something rather than the reality of it. If you're not with them, Alex, you're just a [ __ ] that's worried about the optics. This is [ __ ] insane. First thing for those of you guys to give a little bit of context uh of what he's talking about, Asmin Gold, whose real name is Zach, by the way, this is a man named Zach saying that we that uh border guards should shoot women and children. Uh Zach is talking about um Morocco and Spain. That's what that's what was the triggering event for this was the 60,000 migrants uh showing up to cross over into the Spanish enclaves that exist on the African continent on the other side of the Mediterranean. And most of them were sent back. Uh Spain has some laws about when children are presented about making sure that they uh get special care. But the men were sent back and most of the women were sent back as well. People did die, by the way, just to to Zach. Zack, people did die. They they were trying to cross over in the water and many of them drowned or got crowdcrushed. This was what he's talking about, by the way, is a weird combination of things of one, this is a a semi normal thing that happens between Morocco and Spain. It's weaponization of migrants that has been done by authoritarian governments over and over again. The United States government may have been involved with this and others tied in through Moroccan security systems. There's a lot that happened there. But what Zach saw was he saw brown people and he said that they should be killed. And then Twitch said we probably can't run ads with that. That's why that's why he got banned. That's that's that's the reason why he's suspended. I want to be clear about this. And for people who don't know, I know a lot of our listeners I've looked over our analytics a lot of times. I know we have a lot of uh people who are in their uh mid30s and and 40s. They don't know who the [ __ ] this guy is. This is a Twitch streamer who became famous because he played World of Warcraft. That's why he's famous. Just so you guys know, he has a following. His base began because he played WORLD OF WARCRAFT. LEROY Jenkins without World of Warcraft. And from what I've been told from friends of mine who play World of Warcraft, he was very good at that. M. But this is a man who literally lives in filth. He literally is covered in [ __ ] cockroaches. There is footage of him taking a sip of water and then having to chase it with Coca-Cola because the rotting teeth in his head make water taste bad. And this man has decisions on who or who not should be allowed to cross a border without getting a bullet put through their [ __ ] skull. He's also at this point probably one of the larger con conservative content creators. He's been backed by Elon Musk. He's been repeatedly being backed by Elon Musk a couple years ago on Twitter until Elon Musk got outed as a fake gamer because that was too far. Shooting people in the head not too far for the Asmin Gold crowd. But being a FAKE GAMER, HOW DARE YOU? This is where this is kind of where we're getting trapped in these things is he is sitting in his radicalization box making millions of dollars a year saying this [ __ ] over and over and over again. And the only thing that's ever gotten to him that's actually broken through his brain was Stavi saying that this guy doesn't get [ __ ] So then he showed up with a fake girlfriend a couple weeks ago. I'm going to that's that's in my opinion that's not a real girlfriend. That's not a real girlfriend. This is that's a bizarre look. That's a warning to women that if you are gonna just go all in on having a man support you, that's the type of [ __ ] man that will support you. A man that is literally having cockroaches have crawled across him on stream. A man who has said there's a 70% chance of a dead animal being somewhere in his house. I don't know about y'all, I HAVE A 100% chance that there are no dead animals in my house. 100%. He doesn't clean. He's a dirt ball. his [ __ ] whole worldview is he's he is if Oscar the Grouch wasn't [ __ ] huggable. That's what we're dealing with. And instead of your kids learning from Oscar the Grouch, they're learning from this guy. And I'm I'm going to tell you now, if you do have kids, especially if they're around the age of between 10 and 14, there's a likelihood that they've come across this guy's clips. He has spent a long time, especially during reaction gate and others, saying to people repeatedly that he wants to be the top search result. He watches the clips and then puts it up on YouTube to work as a gateway. And then what he's doing, the way the reason you're listening to the clip of the one we just listened, why it's stilted to people who have not watched Twitch or a kick streamer or others, it's because he's reacting to a live scrolling chat that is happening on there. And so it's a feedback loop. He's radicalizing his chat and his chat is radicalizing him and he's getting monetarily supported by all of these platforms because again in between this they'll run a tide ad. That's where we are. Just keep that in mind because this is insanity of what he's saying because he's advocating for future soldiers, maybe for future border guards to go above and beyond. And then and not even women and children being like that is a thing from the 1800s. Like that's actually a throwback. Yeah. Yeah, he he'll he's the he's the kind of dude that'll bounce between shoot the women and children to we have to protect the women, we have to think about uh the children. Uh and then I also think that I I got I got a little crap. I think a lot of people understood that how big of an audience this guy has because people are like they're like how is this how is the internet divided on this? I was like literally look literally look he's cultivated this audience. He's groomed this audience to go along with them. And then you do get into the the feedback loop of like the Well, the only thing the only thing he can groom is an audience. He won't groom himself. You know what? With the with the internet, maybe we should be glad. That's where that's where he ends with that. I'm just saying, listen, I I brought in plenty of air fresheners and others to make sure that I don't have to [ __ ] smell this guy through my screen. But this is also part of this is also part and parcel with Elon. M Elon's takeover roots to up Twitter has made this in this sort of way. And the thing is is also is the way the algorithms work of dividing and splitting. So again the fact be Phil if you and I weren't so in internet culture in general we probably wouldn't know who this guy is. I guarantee you right now the way the right has been going after the right and some centrists have been going after Hassan especially post Abdul El winning that that the left could be doing the same thing about Asmin Gold like there is there's things in there he would have to leave his house though he would have to leave his house would be one of the issues as would have to leave and go start doing public events but like that's a different part of it you know raising money or doing phone banks or others I don't want to give them ideas Yeah, but that was one of the things that uh you had Elon and others in this this kind of camp saying is that actually there is a double standard uh and that people like Asmin are being uh persecuted whereas uh Hassan is actually getting away with things that are equally bad or even worse is like part of the part of their narrative. Okay. And then they can run to kick. So that was that was the thing when I saw when I saw this happening and people were like talking about the ban which once again is not a ban. It is a two week suspension. And if you if you kind of are used to the the Twitch ecosystem, all that ever happens is well, two things can happen, but one of the main things that happens is they come back from the break and they usually have their biggest stream ever. Um, and it's one of their biggest monetary gains. It's one of the biggest audience gains. Uh, or uh this does serve as like an ad to uh I think he's already on kick. I'd have to double check. Once again, it's like I feel like everything that I learn about this guy is against my will. Um, and but it's a a big part of like the the pop culture conversation of a number of these moments. Uh, but like it sound it felt like uh an audition tape to get some sort of crazy Rumble deal or a renewal on a kick sort of deal because you know they'll they it's not it it's it's it's freedom of speech. It's not uh you know calling for the uh indiscriminate murder of uh women and children. Guys, yeah, guys. I mean that's this is this is what we're getting down to though. Let me also just so I could make my opinion clear because on the PDS, you know, I try and just be like this is the news, you know, 90 90% of the time. This is this is this was psychotic. This is this is psychotic stuff from a person that it what to your point it it's like it's just hyper internet do not go outside sort of disconnected from humanity and like people existing [ __ ] It's it's it's also part of it's it's part of the idea of NPCs, Phil. Mh. It's part of the idea of he's viewing everything as a video game. And how would you play if I was playing Civilization, right? Or if I was playing Mountain Blade Banner Lord, if I was playing one of these games where I'm not viewing them as human beings who were just like me. Yeah. Who if I prick them, will they bleed? Are they not made of flesh? Are they not beings with souls? He doesn't view any of that. They're nothing. to him, to Asminold, and to his followers and supporters when they look at the screen. Do you know what they see? They see pixels the same way they see pixels when they play Call of Duty or Fortnite or any other [ __ ] game. And I'm not here to say that video games are bad. I'm saying that there is a there's a culture that you can put around it where you can say that the video game is equal to real life. And inside of that, you can remove the humanity of anyone that isn't you. the the classic ideas around philosophy, I think, therefore I am, has been turned around into I'm the only one I know who thinks, therefore it doesn't matter what the [ __ ] happens to anyone else. And guys like Asmin, guys like Donald Trump, GUYS LIKE ELON MUSK, GUYS like Larry Ellison, guys like Mark Andre and so many more, Benjamin Netanyahu, all of them. They view anyone that isn't them or part of their group as not people, not deserving not just of rights, but of life. AND IF THAT ISN'T ALIGN, then where the [ __ ] are we? You know, there's been a lot of talk about woke one versus woke two and what there's a left versus the right and what these [ __ ] platforms are. Which one is advocating death? Which one is advocating a future? Which one is advocating that you be put into a box surrounded by cameras as you watch your world [ __ ] burn around you and if you speak up against it that you should be shot in the [ __ ] head. Which one is doing that? BECAUSE THAT IS ONLY COMING FROM ONE [ __ ] DIRECTION. AND IT'S BEEN THIS WAY OVER and over and over again. And I don't want to fight them. I WANT THEM TO STOP VIEWING THE WORLD THAT WAY. I WANT THEM TO GO OUTSIDE, MEET AN ACTUAL girlfriend who likes them for who they are. Meet people who want to talk to them. GIVE THEM A HUG. Have a drink. Share a meal with them. Feel the sun on your face. Hear the waves crash into the [ __ ] beach. Look at the ocean. AND [ __ ] WONDER WHILE staring at the Milky Way galaxy how we are all smaller than the ants that are infesting Asmin Gold's [ __ ] bedroom. And is GOD IF IF GOD IS LIKE ASMIN GOLD, then we're all [ __ ] because he's just moving us around like he's playing black and white on an old PC years ago and dragging people into the ocean and just dropping them because he's annoyed they didn't build a building in an area where he would actually maximize the amount of money that he can make to go to the NEXT [ __ ] LEVEL. BUT GUESS WHAT, BUD? THE NEXT LEVEL FOR you is not going to be fun or joyful because you MAKE MORE MONEY. ZACH makes more money than most people can [ __ ] imagine. I've seen him go on and complain about how much he spent in [ __ ] taxes. He's like, "I HAD TO SPEND SO MUCH MONEY. I HAD TO GIVE SO MUCH MONEY IN TAXES. THAT'S CRAZY." YOU KNOW WHAT MY THOUGHT IS? YOU HAD THAT MUCH MONEY TO GIVE TO taxes and YOU LIVE THERE SURROUNDED BY YOUR OWN [ __ ] AND FILTH. AND THE ONLY thing that's ever [ __ ] AFFECTED YOU IS A FAT GREEK SAYING YOU GET NO [ __ ] THAT'S THE ONLY THING YOU'VE EVER REACTED TO. That and Twitch being like, "Take two weeks off. TAKE TWO [ __ ] WEEKS OFF. MAYBE GO FIND A DEAD squirrel in your addict. [ __ ] HE'S ADDICTED. HE'S ADDICTED TO THIS. And the thing is is he's pulling in more people in his [ __ ] addiction. And someday maybe he'll pivot and try to shake sh to switch it up because the numbers change. But he just wants to be [ __ ] smog. He just wants to be a dragon sitting on his hoorde of wealth. And he doesn't care who it [ __ ] hurts. And he is he is a symptom of what our culture is turning into. a culture that is that is monetized hatred and and [ __ ] anger and rage in a way that is it's feeding back into itself. My rage and my anger comes from the fact that we were promised a better world and we should have a better world and it's so easy to [ __ ] do if someone would just pick up the [ __ ] phone, answer two goddamn emails, AND ACTUALLY STEP OUTSIDE and [ __ ] take ownership of it. He wants to sit there and go, "No, just like the Ben Shapiro Jonathan Major movie. No, they're going to try to invade through our white woman wombs. It's [ __ ] weirdo cuck [ __ ] GO OUTSIDE, GET A HUG. GET A HUG FROM SOMEONE WHO ISN'T MONETARILY DEPENDENT. THAT'S MY CHALLENGE. ASTHMA GOLD, THIS IS MY CHALLENGE. I CHALLENGE YOU TO BE HUGGED BY SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T [ __ ] KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND HAVE THEM LOOK INTO YOUR EYES AND SAY THAT THEY APPRECIATE YOU. AND YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO ASK FOR THE HUG OR TELL THEM TO SAY THAT SENTENCE. THAT IS MY CHALLENGE TO YOU, SIR. COMPLETE THAT BEFORE THE END OF YOUR LIFE. YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO DO IT BECAUSE LIFE ISN'T A VIDEO GAME. IT'S A SERIES OF CHAOTIC DEVELOPMENTS AND [ __ ] MOMENTS THAT ARE DESIGNED AND BY NOTHING. IT'S DESIGNED BY CHAOS. IT'S JUST PEOPLE TRYING TO [ __ ] EXIST AND YOU DON'T EXIST. YOU REACT. YOU'RE NOT EVEN A prime mover. Stinky [ __ ] I think that I know he's going to [ __ ] watch that. I [ __ ] know he's going to watch it. So now I got to wipe myself down with a [ __ ] disinfectant cloth just knowing I'm about to be mined by Asmin Gold's stupid goddamn hairline. There. Do you remember the movie? There was a movie years ago with John Candy uh where he he has a he goes into a coma. He's a soap opera writer and he goes into a coma and uh he wakes up in the soap opera he was in. And one of the ways they would write off characters was by giving them brain cancer. And there's this guy in it that they just keep making his life worse and worse and worse. 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I can't add anything. I can't add anything to what you said. So, I think that how we should uh close out today's show is with something lighter to bring it back down. I think one of your new favorite uh segments, and that is Dad Yap. There's no song, but I'm making one right now. Oh, man. I think I think we're going to have to convince the editor to write us a cool Dad Yap uh a Dad Yap theme song and then give us some cool graphics. We'll work on that in the future because Phil Phil, you know what we did? What? We opened up dady yapp pod atgmail and open it up for questions and uh comments and more from everybody because we want to hear from everybody and we got some this week and they're pretty good. I was scrolling through them. I'm like these are some pretty interesting things. Uh so do you want me to read them or do you want to read them? Uh I'll I'll read this first one. We can go back and forth. You got Dance and Ben, who I think is a real person, but also could just be producer Ben, saying, "Hey guys, I'm in my late 20s and don't have kids yet. Growing up, I always pictured myself becoming a father. But lately, I've been questioning that. With everything happening in the world and the uncertainty of the future, I sometimes wonder if it's fair to bring a child into this world. Do you worry about the world your kids will inherit? If so, how do you manage those fears?" Oh, man. I'll just say uh and I'll let you add to this, Alex. I mean, it's not a unique thing. Having a child is like having a a part of yourself just out there seemingly vulnerable in the world. You you hope you prepare them, but life is [ __ ] chaotic. And so it is a a multiplier to uh your anxieties. I largely do not care what happens to me. U but every like my boys, my wife, that's really that's my world, right? And that's uh where I don't have control, but you you you know, you hope you can protect as much without being too too controlling or hovering and I don't know. It's it's a it's a weird balance, but I'll let you expand on maybe the actual question. Yeah, sure. So, the first thing is producer Ben did just uh hop in the group chat and yell. He's like, "This is not me. It's not me." Uh so, this is Dancing Ben is an actual person. But I understand the question completely because it's the one that I had. Actually, my wife and I um when we first thought thought about having kids, uh Trump got elected the first time and then uh he went away and then we were like, "Oh, great. I think maybe maybe it's going to get better." And then we had our son and then he came back. Uh so that answers some things for you. Uh but the other side of it is you can't you can't let it get in the way. uh if you want if you actually do want to have a kid and you want to have the experience and you know from going from baby all the way to adult so much of human history is people struggling with the exact thought that you've had and to dancing Ben everyone honestly many of the people that are in your family tree that's led up to you had these same thoughts whether it be World War II or going through the the fifth century third century crisis or any of these other things going all the way back through human history on whether or not there's going to be a drought or a famine or others. There are just these moments in there. The question is right now I know there's a lot of fear around climate change and what that looks like and others but I have to I have to believe I have to believe about and I have to rethink our parents and us and our generations were very lucky to be one that inherited an earth that you know to inherit a lifestyle that was better than the generations before them. That is that is that's unusual in human history. That has been unusual in human history. And if you look at other civilizations in the past all around the world, you know, the fact that America is so different because so many of us our families traveled here from places that were terrible and came here and we're here at the the ground level of building this infrastructure and these systems and more. Like there's something to that and we don't know. Like assuming what the f that the future is going to be bad is actually one of the worst things you can do because what it does is it guarantees it's going to be bad because it guarantees that you're not going to fix the pothole in front of my [ __ ] house. That's what it means. You know what I mean? Like it's just it's an acceptance. And so getting in there I how I manage those fears is telling people about those fears and pointing to it. That's how I do it. And one thing I've been thinking about a lot when it comes to, you know, there's a lot of like we want things to be better for our kids. No, I've actually stopped saying that. I've stopped saying I want things to be better for my kid. And I my hope is the knock on effect is if it's better for my kid, it should be better for your kid, too. Because the things I want are things that he can share with his classmates and fellow kids his age. And that's kind of how I get I manage that. and also talking to my wife about it and talking to my parents about it and talking to other parents about it because I think there's a lot of living in fear by ourselves that makes it uncontrollable. Does that make sense, Phil? It does. Yeah. I I'm of the mindset of like I I'm not I stand against the Erica Kirk statement of have have all those babies that you can't afford because make heaven full. Then that's there's a lot of that's what that's what it. That's what Asmin wants. Yes. Asmin wants heaven to be full. That's what he's doing. No, sorry. I pulled you back into to FEEL LIKE I WAS I WAS PREACHING HOPEFUL. I KNOW. NO, BUT I I think that you know, you have to look at your individual situation, but uh you know, make make a decision. If it's just because the world is uncertain, I I think you know, you can you can take that into regard. I just maybe it's cuz I'm so anti the the like really angry people that have villainized anyone that's having children. I don't know if you found these [ __ ] miserable people. Oh, the child-free. Yeah. No, childare. I forgot what the [ __ ] they were because they do not matter. Um, you can you don't have to have children, but the people that go to like the people that go to places like child free and attack anyone for having a child in [ __ ] 2026, go [ __ ] yourself. Can Can I say something real fast? Uh I I know that sometimes when we talk about somebody like Asmin Gold, you're afraid of like not you're afraid, but in general, there's like a general thing of like, oh, are we going to get brigaded uh by point by poking the childfree uh wasp nest, they'll be more from them than anybody else because they they love being victims. They [ __ ] love being victims. And I'm like, I'm sorry, buddy. I I'm sorry you got to sleep eight hours last night, you [ __ ] pig. But I I my run into it actually was when I first things started first blowing up for me on TikTok and I had a few things and then we announced that we were having a baby and 99% of people were cool but I did see comments of being people being like oh I knew I couldn't trust him once he said he would have a kid and pray to bring a kid in this world and I literally just went out I was like cool blocked. Yeah blocked because you don't matter. You don't if you don't believe if if you can't even pretend to believe that there's a chance then why are you here? That's my question. If you're afraid of what some and this isn't a dancing Ben, this is more to a general because I think that his his brain's in the right place. Yes. But in general, if you're like, it's all doomed, then why are you here? That's my question. Why are you here? Because if you're like, I I wouldn't give this to anybody. I wouldn't, you know, damn this to anybody else. Then why are you damning yourself? That's my question. And I'm going to leave it as open-ended as that to stay monetized. We then have another question from Young Guy. Uh, he says, "Hi, Phil and Pearlmania. I'm a gay man, so I'm not too worried about accidentally having kids. Uh, I think I would make a really good dad someday. My partner is more hesitant and thinks he wouldn't be a good dad. How did you know you were ready to be dads?" Um, I found out because of a uh I've talked about this before, I haven't thought about it in a minute. uh a April Fool's Day prank where uh Lindsay acted like she was pregnant before she was actually pregnant and it made me sad afterwards because I I all of a sudden in that moment realized how excited I was. Uh cuz I had always been like I don't know uh one am I ready? Two would I be a good dad? Three you know it's like just one of those one of those things. And then when I I was actually I ended up being very thankful for for that happening because then I it was kind of just like you don't know how you're going to be until you're in the moment. Uh and so I it was very eye opening to me. And so from that moment on I was like I want to be a dad. I want to like grow this family. And so that was that was me. That's a very weird unique situation. Yeah. Um I say every day I'm too young to be a father at 42. Um, I had so much more to live. You and DiCaprio, that's your morning mantra. Yeah. Every day. Um, no. I mean, for us there was it was um it wasn't so much for me about being ready to be a dad. It was more of talking to my wife about it because at the end of the day, it was her body um that was going to go through the most changes and others. And also that you need to make sure that you have a partner that also really truly wants it. Uh we thought actually when we first got married that we we weren't going to have kids. And then over time as things happened and you know we had more friends who had kids and uh family that had kids and others and and looking at like what we were building in this world and where we were at um you know we we had to make a we had actually make the decision because there was some medical things in the way and others. So it was we got to a point where we're like okay we're going to do if we're going to do this we're going to try this now and we gave ourselves a window around it and others. um for there really wasn't any one moment. I I would say that for me is there really wasn't one moment. The hard part for me was um which would be very different from young guys uh when and their partners uh reaction to this is you know there was we had had some things before and I it took me a while to just be excited that it was actually going to happen. So that was kind of more of like when dealing with things like miscarriages and others and um you know questions around our age and the viability and others and and looking at that side of like okay are we until there was a certain point like we didn't tell anybody because we had to wait until like I wanted everything checked and we're we're good and you know there was a few things that they the hospital [ __ ] up at one point and I was like what's going on and so that was the roller coaster I think that prepared me more than anything else um because that was the I you know that moment of just like cool I'm I this is not my respon beyond responsibility now someone like you said like that that that that the sadness that you felt and the idea the fear I had of not having him uh was more like pushed me into the other side of it cuz like the other thing too that nobody really talks about I don't know if you had this when my son was born it took like it it wasn't like instant it wasn't like he I was going to add this cuz those are two those are two separate things knowing or knowing knowing you want to have kids or feeling like you want to have kids and then feeling a connection and like a dad. Yeah. Two separate two completely separate things. Cuz in that moment, what was crazy for me was in the delivery room, they handed me my son and then I had to be sent away cuz they had to do stuff with with my wife and I'm like, well, I know her and I care for her. I don't know this dude yet. And like having that first hour, you know, it was and then the stress and the fear and all those things. It it took like you know it takes it takes a little bit of time to to feel that like that deepness that deepness in there that once it you know when it locks it like I don't know what the you know I mean I know what the exact moment is but I'm not sharing that. That's for me not monetizing that feeling. And and all dads are different. I've heard I've had some dads you know say the thing like from the moment I I saw them uh they opened their eyes and saw me. Yeah. And for for for me it it it was kind of the same thing. It was like, okay, this this is my son. This is my responsibility. Okay, this is going to be a lot of work. I I I immediately when whenever something happens, I immediately start thinking about what it means as far as a schedule standpoint, what I'm supposed to do. Even though even I was joking with you, very different situation. When I won the Mr. Beast thing where we're going to be giving away a million dollars, I immediately was like, "Oh [ __ ] this is going to be a lot of work." Okay. So, I'm gonna have to make these calls, lawyers, find people, blah blah blah. I'm an anxiety guy. So, the second he hit my arms, I my first question is like, okay, all the organs are inside the body. Cuz I just found out that's a thing that can happen. I just started going down like all the things. I'm like, he's collicky. What is it blue umbilical cord? And they're like, everything's fine. He's great. And I But that was that's where my brain is until I could like calm down enough to really take in the moment. And then like once family could join us and more and then being able to get once the moment I could get into the relaxation there was that when his eyes finally focused you know there's things there's things along the lines that were in there and for some people I mean I've met people where you know if they can at least be open about it like that there are people that it doesn't come and that's the part that's kind of terrifying and that's you know and sad but you know there there's things in there of like what these things are but how you know when you're ready and and this question I think from young guy is young guy, you might feel that you're ready, but with your partner, it's about having those open conversations and whether or not that's something that's truly that important to you um over being with that partner. That's a different again, that's a that's a YouTube conversation because I know people who they got in they got married and they're like, we're not having kids and then they got divorced and their partner immediately had kids. I know that's happened many many times with many different people and you see that kind of story around there. It's a conversation that you that people should have and be very open about and that people have changed on. I mean that was a conversation my wife and I were at the very beginning kind of we weren't going to and then over time and as things also became more secure for us. That was the other thing too. It's a feeling of security uh both financially, emotionally and more and there's there's a lot of changes in that. Cool. Want to do the last question? Yeah. You want I'll read it. Okay. I'll read it. You got the first two. You got the cool ones. Uh this is from Corey. Hey Phil and Alex. Love the dad yap portion of the podcast and the podcast overall. Thank you, Corey. Uh, I have a three-year-old and some nights after work I struggle to keep my cool and not lose my [ __ ] with them. How do you guys keep your cool with a frustrating toddler? Now, I'll let Phil go on this first because I currently have one. Uh, and I want to hear from Phil because I need tips on this as well to a degree. How did you keep your cool? Because I was just sat down there hanging out with you and your boys and they're great. Your sons are awesome and they're not toddlers. They're not toddlers, but they were at one point. No, I and every every kid is different. Uh, for me, as far as like in the moment when you're separated, I think I think there's a lot to be It's a little woo woo. I think there's a lot to be gained about 5 to 10 minutes of daily meditation, just being by yourself with some thoughts. Ideally, it's uh it's uh it's guided, but you don't even need it. Just let all the [ __ ] insane thoughts I always imagine, what is it? there's there's like a street and instead of cars there's all the different thoughts and I just give them a passing glance and just let that go. So cuz one of the biggest things with a a toddler is it's yes it can be frustrating in the moment but it's usually an accumulation of things, right? It just it's like it's like oh my god everything's so stressful and there's screaming. Um, so I'm a big believer in the meditation, uh, learning to separate yourself because, you know, uh, I think, you know, I've experienced this as a kid and I've seen some people do it. Uh, some like an adult screaming then in the toddler's face is not doesn't help. That's doesn't help. Teach the right lesson. You're just scaring your child. Uh, and so and but for me, it's always having like what how how do I use my time where it's separated? Uh, and so something that uh, yes, maybe it's to a certain degree it started around uh, when my youngest was a toddler, but hey, you're going to hate me. The working out, the hiking, the the exerting myself because that's how I get that's how I get my anxiety out. That's how I get my anger out. Uh, and I and instead of unloading it on whoever happened to be the person that flipped a switch, you know what I mean? Yeah. Uh, so that that's my thing is is finding those those other things. Yeah, there's also a whole other aspect of this of like how to talk to your toddler, right? Uh and but as far as if I'm thinking of just me internally because I don't know what your child is like. Uh I just I start with me and then try and fix from inward outward. The one thing I found when looking at a lot of especially uh infant and toddler media is a lot of it is messages for the parents that are just being said in toddler ways. So, a big one I want to stick with here, Corey, is uh Miss Rachel, big feelings are okay. It's okay to have big feelings. And I can't tell you how often I say that to myself. Uh number one. Number two, I don't know if you're with your partner. The other one that we say, uh I I heard this on TikTok, but the idea that the baby is the enemy. Uh as you know, when you have a a newborn, a toddler, an infant, or whatever, they're constantly constantly constantly uh trying to without their knowledge end it all. uh whether it be shove a fork into an outlet or eat some random thing or sleep wrong or any of these and that's a level of stress. You're in hyper vigilance. Uh there's that part of it and then as they turn into a toddler, I had this yesterday. I took my kid to the library. The library, our library has one of those wooden train sets. So he loves trains. So he's playing with the wooden train sets. And then I go, "Uh, so we're a little bit we usually get, you know, dinner by 5:30. It's like 5:40." I'm like, "Come on, buddy. Let's go get pizza." And usually I go, "Let's go get pizza." And he's like, "Yeah." Yeah. And he looked up and went, "No trains." And I was like, "Oh, no." And so I'm like, now I'm in like I'm trying to negotiate. And you can't you can't negotiate with a toddler. You have to just kind of pull it and work for distractions or some things that I tried, you know, and things along that nature. Um, and he's a bigger guy now. And so I was just getting hammerfisted in the neck by a kid yelling no as I carried him out of a library. and he was mad as I carried him into pizza. And it's just sometimes you just have to kind of you have to just go I'm going to get on the other side of it. I think a lot of when I see my toddler having those moments, I think about when I quit smoking and nicotine fits. It will pass. That's the one thing I think you need to keep in mind. It will pass. It might be 30 seconds of ah oh dinosaur. I've had that happen WHERE HE'S LIKE AH THIS IS THE WORST THING IN THE WORLD. I COULD SEE HIS L body like shaking with it. I'm like, "Ah, that's me." And then dinosaur or it feels like it's going to go on. I've watched him like remember later. The other day he had an apple. First time ever he found he like grabbed an apple and started eating it. But it was a big apple, Phil. It was a It's like the size of his head. I'm like, "You can't take it into TJ Maxx." I'm like, "You got to leave it in the car." But at this point, he's been going two hours on this apple now. I'm like, "Apple's getting kind of groy. Apple got to go." So, we took him into the TJ Maxx. He was upset leaving the TJ Maxx we didn't buy the fire truck that we handed him as a distraction to try to win over a different argument. And so we're like rip that bandage. Got him in the car. All of a sudden out of nowhere his memory is starting to work and he's my apple. And he realized the apple's gone. I'M JUST LIKE AH. SO NOW WE'RE just going to drive and we're just going to put on the thing. Just take deep breaths. Talk to your partner about it. Like it is a rough one. It will pass. I do like what Phil was saying though. For me, I don't do the working out or the hiking. I yell at the government and my phone. That's kind of part of it. Uh but finding those things and again also just what you're doing right here, Corey, finding other people, other toddler parents, other parents in your life. I don't know if you have a connection with your own parents, ask them what they if if you still talk to your own parents, ask them what they did with you and see if that was a similar thing. Because I found when talking to my parents, they're like certain things I say that my son's doing, they're like, "Oh yeah, you did that." I'm like, "Well, how did you break me of it?" like we didn't oh like yeah just like that is an interesting thing and again not for I know not everybody still talks to their own parents or they they're not around so it's up on that side but I would I would talk around to other people and find out and get those helpful you know tips and tricks but also just have those conversations and then when you are in that moment you go oh you don't feel alone you realize that there's like literally like legions of parents who've also been through this and that they also survived it and a lot of them are dumber than I do like I love the idea of hey scream man. How do you deal with your toddler? I do listen I was dealing with him this morning. I was He's home right now. My wife's with him. He's home right now. And so I was dealing with this morning and I was like, "Hey buddy, uh you know, one of the downsides is because we we film this remote, we can't have Netflix or YouTube on on the TV while we record this because it it [ __ ] up our thing." So I'm like when he's home because he's not feeling good, so he can't go to daycare. I'm like, AH, I GOT TO TELL YOU, daddy got to talk to Uncle Phil about the government, so you're not allowed to watch Thomas the Tank Engine is a real sentence that I've had to say to my son. Mhm. So, you can look your son in the eye and say, "You're right. I'm wrong." Guys, thank you so much for hanging out. Thank you, dadpodgmail. If you have any more questions, we love these. It does help us remember that there's a future we're fighting for. Yeah. Like, subscribe, comment. crashingout.com. Phil, final thoughts. Love you faces. See you soon. Man, I need to take a nap.